At the risk of…

October 31, 2008

 

Hi everyone – Wow!  Comments are coming too fast for me to keep up with.  Sorry they aren’t all getting the attention they deserve.

I had to cringe when John asked for context and jesurgiac gave it.  I haven’t been able to read through all the back-and-forth yet, but allow me to share some thoughts.  My arguments for prop8 have evolved quite a bit during the process of writing them out.  This is what happens when I let this blog act more like a journal than a research paper.   Knee-jerk reactions are put into black and white, soapboxes are pounded, feelings shared though not entirely bullet-proof.  Thank goodness I haven’t run across any one truly malicious yet, because I know many of the cases I’ve presented wouldn’t hold up in court.  Thanks to everyone for their understanding and good nature.

I’ll readily admit that “because God says so” is probably not the most convincing of arguments – especially for those who don’t believe in Him, and especially when debating Prop8.  What I believe is what I believe.  It may remain my bottom line, but I recognize it doesn’t hold water for many people.

Let’s take a small moment to acknowledge that the 10 commandments were the foundation of laws in America to begin with, and that “Because God says so” is not a bad motivation for someone in their personal and family life, however politically “uncorrect” it may be today.

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Happy Halloween!

October 31, 2008

Confession:

This is my least favorite holiday… But it’s one of my favorite times of year.

To celebrate, we made pumpkin pancakes this morning.  They turned out yummy, but not very sweet.  I think I”l try pumpkin waffles next time.  This recipe (from John’s mom’s cousin) looks a little more complicated, but worth it.


Random Photos

October 29, 2008

These were taken earlier this month… There will be lots more of these random-picture-posts coming…


Freedom of Religion

October 29, 2008

I truly do love the opportunity these Anti-Prop-8 comments give me to (a) think outside my frame of reference, and (b) share what I come up with as a result.  🙂 

Here’s the comment for those who missed it:

First of all – quite sincerely – I congratulate you for standing up for your beliefs. I disagree with your beliefs completely, but I support your decision to quit using Google’s blog software because you disagree with their political endorsement.

(Though I hope that if one of your children realises she or he is gay, that you never refer again to your belief that your God wants them to be celibate and alone all their lives and never mention it again: Committment and sincerity are good things, but parents with your views have driven their children to suicide when they decided their religious beliefs were more important to them than their children’s lives.)

That said: How do you justify your belief that Americans ought not to be allowed freedom of religion? You argued in your blogpost over at your googleblog that the government ought to enforce legal/civil penalties for what your religion defines as “sin”. That’s fine for you (not necessarily for your children) so long as the government is enforcing your religion. Once drop freedom of religion, however, and you cannot assume that the government in power will always be enforcing your religious rules on other people: they may enforce other people’s religious rules on you.

Thanks for your sincerity and your support about my switching over from blogger.  🙂  I’ve been most pleased with the respect and caring shown me by those with opposing views.  I hope I come across as showing the same.  In turn, thank you for posting what is obviously a contradicting opinion on the matter.

Here’s the deal.  We aren’t controlling behavior.  We are setting (or attempting to set) the legal definition of marriage.  Well, re-setting, seeing as a ton of people already voted on this 8 years ago.  Same exact words.

If this Constitutional amendment passes, it will not change in any way the legal rights of gay/lesbian domestic partnerships. 

If it fails, and a VERY few people are allowed to overthrow what a MAJORITY of voters put into CA code, then I foresee the following consequence:

The religious freedom of individuals, families, and organizations being severely persecuted.  (And I do believe this is primarily a religious-freedom issue, by the way.)  Why? 

Let’s say a homosexual couple wants to rent out a church for their marriage.  The pastor says, “Sorry, but I believe homosexual behavior is sinful, and I won’t perform a same-gender marriage.”  The couple sues and easily wins the case because *legally* the pastor can’t discriminate there – thanks to that handful of judges.

Please, my Anti-8 friends, explain to me why that would be fair?  I invite your comments and will try to respond fairly and respectfully.  I know in your eyes, that case up there would be a victory… But can you see why it’s so wrong to impose your beliefs (that same-sex marriage is okay) on others?  That pastor would be totally in a bind.  Same with, say, a wedding photographer that refuses to shoot a gay marriage, an adoption agency refusing to sponsor a homosexual couple, or a doctor refusing to perform artificial insemination for similar reasons. 

And what of religious private schools?  To say nothing of what will be taught in public schools, and how it will affect children being taught at home that homosexual behaviors are wrong?

If Prop8 passes, it would protect private & religious institutions, schools, and companies.   I’m sorry for the pain this must be causing individuals who want to marry someone of their same gender.  No matter how gently it’s handled, approached, debated, it’s going to cause a lot of hurt, and I recognize that.  Please know that in no way at all do I feel hate towards people identifying themselves as homosexual.  It isn’t fair to ask me to accept their behavior, however. 

More to say on the subject.  I didn’t at all address that 2nd pgph.  I’ve sacrificed all the sleep I can afford to sacrifice, though.  If only time had a pause button!  🙂


Zannie’s Birthday

October 28, 2008

What do you give your loving mother for her 50th birthday?  A song!  My first-ever melody, words, accompaniment, the works.  Nothing too good for my mommy.  With thanks to Kim for giving me the heads-up about cool (free) music notation software, so it even looked pretty.  🙂

More text to come about it later, but here are the pictures at any rate.

She loved it, by the way.


Misplaced Eagle

October 27, 2008
Where's the baby?

Where

Eagle? Where

Hm.  This picture-thing on wordpress is different.  I’m not sure if I like it.  The above was my attempt at showing you a very funny moment from earlier this month.  I left Eagle in the front room while I helped load the two older kids into a friend’s minivan.  (She took them for me so I could have a much-needed break.  Bless her!)
So anyway, I came back and -whoa- where’d he go?
At this point he wasn’t army-crawling, really, just rolling… So how’d I misplace a baby?

I could hear him… but not see him at ALL from where I stood.
It was seriously a very funny feeling.  Invisible baby!  My life, a Pixar movie, indeed…
And then I found him, happy as can be.  As you can see,  if these pictures work at all.  🙂  Enjoy!

A response on my blogger site – A long reply

October 21, 2008
Hi Fans!  I put way too much time into this today, but feel strongly that this principle needs to be stood up for.  So much for cleaning the house!
Here’s the comment, from brianp:
I hope you are still proud of your stance on this issue when someone in your family, maybe one of those cute kids, wants to marry someone they love. Perhaps they will want to marry someone of the same sex, or different religion, or different skin color. Of course you probably believe that someone “chooses” to be gay. When did you decide to be heterosexual? What made you choose that path?
Here’s my long-winded answer:
Brian,
Thank you SO much for your comment. I appreciate the opportunity to hear your views and reply to them, so again, thank you for taking time to voice them here. I hope you will feel free to comment again. It’s nice to meet people here – even those with opinions clearly contrary to mine.

It may surprise you that I don’t believe that “someone chooses to be gay.” Nope, I don’t. And in answer to your questions, I don’t recall a moment of deciding to be heterosexual, and it’s likely I didn’t have to. Some of us come by it naturally, I guess. 😉 I do, however, remember as a child gaining a testimony of Jesus Christ, and feeling His love for me daily. I remember deciding to follow His plan for me, and I’ve had great joy in my life as I’ve done so. Such decisions could be made regardless of which gender a person is attracted to.

Since we’re discussing the topic of same-gender-attraction, let’s go back to that.  While some don’t choose it, I do believe that some choose to experiment in this realm out of curiosity, and I believe that if governments allow the definition of marriage to be broadened to include homosexual relationships, many more people will fall into that category. In fact, in some places it may become the “trendy” thing to do, which I find a chilling prospect (thanks for a new favorite adjective, Google).

But for people genuinely attracted to, who fall in love with people of their same gender, I absolutely do not believe they “choose” it. This is likely something they’ll have to deal with their whole lives. That doesn’t make them evil. It’s *acting* on that temptation that becomes a sin. God still loves them, but He also gives us commandments & expects us to uphold them. As a society we have gone to great lengths to keep people from suffering the consequences of their bad choices, or even feeling bad about it. 

You seemed to put this on the same level as marrying someone belonging to a different religion, or from a different nationality.  Definitely not the same thing.  In context of your hypothetical situation, I’d
(a) have no problems with my children marrying someone with a different skin color.  It’s all about what’s on the inside.
(b) be sad if they married outside our faith – for several reasons, which I won’t get into here – but happy on some level if they were marrying a good person. 
(c) be disappointed if they chose a homosexual lifestyle – compassionate if they told me they were inclined towards it.  Perhaps it should be noted that I would be similarly disappointed regardless of how they chose to break the law of chastity.

Maybe I should quit my jibberish and just quote something from one of God’s prophets in our day. This from President Gordon B. Hinckley:
“My response is that we love them as sons and daughters of God. They may have certain inclinations which are powerful and which may be difficult to control. Most people have inclinations of one kind or another at various times. If they do not act upon these inclinations, then they can go forward as do all other members of the Church. If they violate the law of chastity and the moral standards of the Church, then they are subject to the discipline of the Church, just as others are.
“We want to help these people, to strengthen them, to assist them with their problems and to help them with their difficulties. But we cannot stand idle if they indulge in immoral activity, if they try to uphold and defend and live in a so-called same-sex marriage situation. To permit such would be to make light of the very serious and sacred foundation of God-sanctioned marriage and its very purpose, the rearing of families” (Gordon B. Hinckley, Ensign, Nov. 1998, 71).

Again, thanks for your input, Brian. I don’t know if it’s possible to come to an agreement here, as you are probably as firm in your standing as I am in mine. It probably does us both good to interact with people who disagree with us. 😉 Here are a few articles I really enjoyed
Helping Those Who Struggle With Same-Gender Attraction -beautiful article
An interview with Elder Oaks and Lance B. Wickman – outstanding answers to questions on this topic
God Loveth His Children – a pamphlet